Thursday, April 29, 2010

Dog Owner To Bite Mountain Bikers

Dog Owner Rally's Protest at Mountain Bike Festival.

Can bikes, dogs, horses and multiple trail users co-exist?

Awesome NEW "Brown Sugar" Mountain Bike Trail unveiled in Sechelt. Dogs seem to love it too! Pet owners come out in protest.

November 8, 2010
Phase 2 construction begins at Kinnikinnick Park of parallel trails that provide a separate agility track for mountain bikers away from hikers. The Trail is part of a world renowned Capilano University mountain bike program.

Dog owner, Sue Adams of Davis Bay is not happy that mountain bikers have built a trail at Kinnikinnick Park in Sechelt, BC on the Sunshine Coast. She is also upset the District of Sechelt is planning to prohibit her dogs Kaleigh and Brody, and others from using the adjacent playing fields to socialize. Sue has posted signs throughout the extensive trail systems calling on dog owners to unite and come to the Roam the Loam 2 Mountain Bike Festival and trail opening to protest threats to the off-leash dog park and show their solidarity.

SEE "Brown Sugar" Trail Unveiling and ALL THE PHOTOS on Flickr from Roam The Loam 2

The Capilano University Mountain Bike Operations program Students and their sponsor Off The Edge have planned a mountain biking festival and trail unveiling called "Roam the Loam 2" for Saturday May 1st. In the past the event has been at the Sprockids Mountain Bike Park in Langdale and this year has moved to Sechelt.

"I urge all dog owners to come out that day and enjoy OUR WALKING TRAILS. Be silent no more - spread the word," reads Sue's poster. "If we don't voice our concerns we could loose our off-leash dog park!!!!"

Sue continues "Please come to the park on Saturday, May 1st, and walk the trails in support of our dogs, our families and our hikers. Keeping your dog on leash for this one day will ensure that no one is injured by the cyclists using the trails for their "Roam the Loam" day!"

In one case I noticed, a Roam the Loam event poster has been torn down, crumpled, thrown on the ground and staked by a stick.

Kinnikinnick is one of the only official off leash parks for our four legged friends that I know of on the Sunshine Coast, even though the entire coast is pretty much a very relaxed off leash region. In fact my experience has been people look at you weird if you have your dog on a leash. WAGS In Roberts Creek they have written on top of signs so they read "do not leash your pet."

The Capilano University Mountain Bike program attracts students from around the world. Each year they do some new trail building and maintenance. It is the only program of its kind in North America and around the world.

Just recently I posted photos from the newly rebuilt stunt jumps and tracks at Connor Park in Halfmoon Bay, BC during a Day In The Dirt Bike Swap. SEE PHOTOS

This event and the newly improved mountain park facilities are just one example of how the Mountain Bike Operations program learn to build sustainable environmentally friendly trail systems that both encourage the sport and protect wilderness areas by keeping users to a designated path. An awesome win - win for the Sunshine Coast!

Jay Hoots is a CMIC certified MTB coach for the Capilano University program. I met up with him on the trails in Kinnikinnick, where I frequently go for a hike, and use to enjoy with my late dog Tundra.

I asked Jay about the concerns of this dog owner. He was extremely gracious and welcomed the feedback and concerns Sue had brought up. He told me that their eventual plan is to link a mountain bike only trail to where the new jumps and stunts trails are at the end of the red trail so cyclists, walkers and dogs will not be mixing.

Mountain bikers however are concerned and upset that they will now be restricted from using other trails in the park, and will have just the one trail.

Caroline Dépatie, Sunshine Coast Campus Capilano University Mountain Bike Operations Program Convenor, aka, the main spoke in the wheel, told me that the new trail is a teaching/learning trail for children who ride mountain bikes to work on their riding skills. The trail has beginner and intermediate bike features on it so children can have fun and enjoy being in the outdoors rather than stuck to a screen being inactive. Every feature has an alternate easy route for riders.

She said "We will certainly suggest to the District of Sechelt to put up trail etiquette signs outlining things like: Be respectful of other users, bikers yield to hikers, etc."

Dépatie added that from studies she has read, conflict between hikers and bikers is more perceived than actual. There is this perceived notion that bikers are dangerous and will create harm where actual reports indicate very positive encounters between both groups.

It takes only one negative experience of a hiker and suddenly all bikers are painted with the same brush. If a recreation plans of an area supports it, designating trails for specific users can be a good idea. She believes in being fair to all users.

Emanuel Machado, Manager of Sustainability Services and Special Projects, for the District of Sechelt contacted me on his Blackberry from the Landgale Ferry Terminal. He was on his way to Vancouver by ferry for the weekend but felt this was an extremely important matter to touch base with me on. Emanuel is also the first local government official to wholeheartedly jump on board Tundra's dog and people friendly drinking fountain memorial campaign fund for my Siberian Wolf who passed away January 27th, 2010.

Emanuel told me that the "vision" is to have a mountain bike only trail that connects from Heritage Road to Kinnikinnick Elementary, with the rest of the trails designated as pedestrian only. Right now the University students are at the 1st phase. The third phase is expected to be completed by the Mountain Biker Operations students in the Spring of 2011. In the meantime, the "red trail" that leads to the mountain bike park will be shared and over the next couple of weeks signs encouraging proper trail etiquette and courtesy will be posted.

I completely understand Sue and other's frustration that a quiet forest trail could become over run by mountain bikers and turn their off-leash oasis into a doggies nightmare! I also think that encouraging sustainable mountain biking is good for our kids health, tourism, and a green economy.

I think the best scenario for all users is to create separate paths for each and where they do cross over, use courtesy and common sense. I can just imagine what it would be like if we added people on roller blades, long boards, horses, skateboards, runners, walkers, ATV's and more.

I am also not sure that protesting a children's mountain bike festival is quite the right way to go about making your point, but I completely feel for Sue and agree that we need to have trails for just dogs and people where you don't have to fear getting run over by a mad mountain biker and get let your guard down and just roam!

Incidentally, did you know that the loam in "Roam the Loam" refers to the glacial till they use to build the kewl trails? They have to dig way down below all the surface soil and detritus.

It's just one of the amazing things you will discover at the annual Roam the Loam Mountain Bike Festival! Bring the whole family out and check it out. This is a terrific opportunity to have trained caring professionals help you with any questions you have about the sport. Bring your dog too! WOOF

What do you think about the Kinnikinnick trail sharing situation? I want to hear from you. Did I miss an obvious point in all this, or is their a better solution?

(blogspot uploads this blog to the Notes section of my fb profile)

Heather Pearce Lyons
do we dog walkers still have a trail separate from the bikers ??

Greg Lightbourn
I hike, I have a high energy dog and I mountain bike. I have encountered only one inconsiderate mountain biker while hiking with my dog on a multi-use trail in RC. He was going too fast and almost fell off his bike trying to miss my dog- his fault for going too fast to stop for unexpected moving obstacles on a multi-use trail. He wasn't, by the way, a youth either, he was mid thirties. Most other bikers I've encountered have been more than courteous and careful. I also am very aware of slower moving beings when riding- common sense one would think. Everyone should be able to enjoy the trails in our forests- on foot or un-motorized vehicles- co-operation and education is all that is really needed- and respect for others enjoying healthy activities.

Jay Richard Walter
I would say that she is completely out of line to use this festival as a platform for her protest. Does the closing of the fields portion have anything to do with the cyclists? From what I've read in your post it would seem that the cyclists are being given only one trail out of a network of many. It smells like sour grapes to me. She has lost all... See More credibility with her aggressive, 'me first and only', approach.

There are many who would like to have trails without any dogs on them ever. They may be afraid of dogs or they don't like the dogs disturbing the wildlife; they don't like stepping in doggy doo; etc.. Is she willing to accommodate them?

Everyone wants youths to do something other than drugs and crime. Now they're doing it and someone has to pipe up and say 'Whoa. Not welcome here though.' It's no wonder so many don't even bother trying when there is always someone waiting to rain on the parade.

I'm sure a system of protocols can be established wherein both groups can enjoy some healthy outdoor activity in harmony. This could be accomplished with an information booth at the event but not with placard carrying protesters creating an atmosphere of conflict.

Mary Craziness
I don't see why we can't all just get along and be respectful of each other and beat up the garbage dumpers and gallop across the golf course???? ; P

June Ward
As a heavy user of the many trails on the Coast ,I did see an increase in the number of negative encounters with MB riders because of my dogs .I experienced a shift with the "type" of intolerance I saw .I also know that it was more likely to occur if I was walking with women as opposed to men .

Micha Bruecker
I support to keep Kin. fields and park off leash. I would hope that the building of bike trails will not interfere with the off-leash policy. There are already many mountain bike trails on the Coast but only very few off-leash areas. Mountain biking, after all, is a sport which, by definition, should be practiced in natural surroundings and not necessarily on groomed trails ….

Besides, the dogs are not the only ones leaving something behind on the field. Every time there was a game there are bottles, wrappers, etc. thrown out carelessly by the players. Further, I suspect once the dogs are gone the geese will come in and cover the field in their crap.

Most importantly though, having a place where dogs (and humans) can interact freely greatly enhances their social skills and so reduces problems with under-socialized dogs (and humans). As far as I know Kin. Is the only off-leash area within the District of Sechelt? How many (comparable) sites are there actually on the Sunshine Coast? And how many dog owners are there?

All of which doesn’t excuse the laziness of dog owners who do not pick up after their dogs. There have always been those who have not been as considerate as could be wished for.

Jay Richard Walter
It is true that there are many mountain bike trails in the woods on the Coast. The lion's share of these trails are on crown land and are therefore illegal. People spend their own time and resources to build some epic trails in the bush. Yes they are 'groomed'. Corners are banked; bridges,jumps, and other challenges are built and maintained. with the least possible impact on the ecosystem i.e. minimizing erosion and protecting watercourses.

Often times these trails that have been so lovingly crafted are destroyed by clear cuts on the hill. In West Van, the city has gone in and destroyed trails citing insurance fears. As well, people still go in the bush and walk their dogs on trails built by the cyclists and get upset at them. Another hazard encountered by cyclists in the woods is the dirt bikers. I think it safe to assume that the dog walkers would probably rather encounter pedal powered conveyances over loud, smelly, and larger motor powered ones.

These people have been quietly working away to keep their sport alive with minimal support from any level of government. Having this trail in Kin. will legitimize the sport and bring into public awareness the massive resource of tourism we have here if they would just open up the hills to legal trails that are protected from logging.
The issue of feces on the fields is a different one. It should not be connected to the bike trail at all but it has for some reason. As if the cyclists somehow convinced the SCRD to punish the dog owners so now the dog owners will punish the cyclists??? Are we in elementary school here or what. It is 2010 and we know better ways to solve disputes.

I recommend walking in Cliff Gilker. It is huge, un-officially off leash, has lots of places for dogs to meet and play creekside in the water, and the cyclists tend to avoid it as they have way nicer riding trails up the hill. Just don't tell everyone :)

Micha Bruecker
Just to clarify: Kin. Park is solely the District of Sechelt's responsibility and not the SCRD's.

Use of Kin. Park has increased multifold over the past years which is a good thing. Unfortunately there are also increased clashes between bikers and walkers (and their dogs) on the NARROW trails with often LIMITED VISIBILITY.

I wholeheartedly support mountain biking and the separate trails as long as this does not negatively impact the only off-leash park in the DoS.... See More

Dog owners are angry about DoS's decision (now temporarily revoked) to close the fields for off-leash dogs and are concerned that this might just be a pre-amble to close the entire trail system while the issue of feces is simply a reason given the public.

Cliff Gilker is a great UNOFFICIAL off-leash park but for many Sechelters quite the drive to undertake daily.

Rob Thomson
Walk and ride carefully and with courtesy and problems will not arise

Jay Richard Walter
How about Hidden Grove which opens up into a huge network of trails above the power lines. Or hike into Chapman falls behind the gravel pit. There is a huge network of trails in there and they are for the most part quite wide so there is room for all.
It would seem that the dog owners should be lobbying local gov't for more off-leash areas. Armed with this recent change in Kin. I think the momentum is there.

Cyril Perpet
I have a problem with Kinnikinnick staying an off leash park. When you have softball games, soccer games and other community event you often get dogs running around and going to the bathroom on the fields. Some of the owners do not pick up after the dogs and you have people using the park with dog droppings on the ground.

Jay Richard Walter
The fields were created for sports and that should be their primary use. Maybe there could be an organization that books the fields at specific times for dog play. The members would then be responsible for making sure the fields are left clean and ready for the next group just like any users of the fields should do.
There are no simple answers, only intelligent solutions.

Bob Dobs
Kinn Fields have NOT been working as an off leash area. First off i have been a dog owner all my life and some of them were almost never on a leash. I support off leash areas in a big way.
However the fields at Kinn park are heavily used by sports teams, for which they were built.

As a coach and long time member of the SCyouth Soccer asn i have had many negative experiences with dogs, their owners, and their crap at Kinn. I coach 2-3 times a week at kinn and need to spend 10 minutes prior to every session searching for and picking up dog feces. It is a significant problem.

I have also had dog owners refusing to get their dogs off my booked playing field, their pet interfering with my players as they argue that their dog has a right to run a muck. Thankfully this kind of behaviour is rare. Unfortunately dog crap on the field definitely is not.

Dogs should be kept OFF the playing fields at Kinn. There are many other parks in the District with open space and no dedicated sports fields.

Bikes and walkers should both have a dedicated path in the park. The rest should be shared. For many young riders who are not ready for the mountain the park is a great safe and accessible place to learn the sport and joy of trail riding. We should be able to all share with respect.

Melina Cassidy
I understand that dog owners enjoy their walking trails. Just as bike riders enjoy the challenging trails.

Bottom line- the forest belongs to Gaia. And we should all be free to use respectfully, without harming one another or the forest ecosystem.

Jay Richard Walter
I hope the people who tore down all the posters recently are ashamed of themselves. I know that I'm ashamed to have such people in my community.

Micha Bruecker
The field and the trail issues are two separate ones.

The fields are not used by sports groups during the day and should then be open for everybody's enjoyment (e.g. dog owners).

PS: Sports groups leave garbage behind after their games and practices....

PPS: Those dogs roaming around during sports activities mostly belong to the players' families.

June Ward
I believe that the Sunshine Coast is marketed as a destination for MBing, therefore there seems to be an expectation of unhindered riding .Yes Duane I did see an increase in bad manners .ps I ride also.

Bob Dobs
If ALL of the dog owners cleaned up after their pets then that may seem like a good idea. However during the soccer season the fields are in use most nights until 7pm or later. in the summer ball uses the fields till sundown. Enough irresponsible dog owners do not clean up so as to cause a serious problem. This is why the dogs have lost the... See More park.
I've seen dog owners in the day let their pets out of the car to run free in the park while they sit and read in their car. I imagine it is their routine.
There are other fields that are not used by organized sports for dogs;Brookman;Creekside;Burtnick;lower Hackett;Clayton: as well as most any other open space on the coast.
Some of these areas have been approved or proposed as off leash areas and other could lobbied for.

A trial of off leash bookings for dog groups as Jay suggested may be worth a try at Kinn.

The spectators dogs that encroach on the field are rarely the problem and are brought under control quickly as the owner has a stake in the proceedings and therefore they care.

It is outrageous that you would seem to imply that all "Sports groups leave garbage behind after their games and practices" .
Seriously..."Every time there was a game there are bottles, wrappers, etc. thrown out carelessly by the players. " ??
I have been heavily involved in soccer on the coast for 15 years. Yes there are occasions that a mess is left behind. I find that in most cases, others at the field will clean up after those thoughtless few. I never leave a park with trash on it nor do the majority of sports groups.
Again trash and poo are very different issues.
It may well be true about the geese, but they are not in our control.

The bikers are not advocating that dogs should not use the park. Nor am I. But after years of cleaning up dog shit by the bucketful on the SPORTS FIELD that the SPORTS GROUPS worked to have built, I am certain that the dogs need to stay off the playing fields.
They should be free to roam anywhere else as long as they are not harming anyone.
As should the bikers. As long as they don't shit on the trail.

Since most mnt bikers I know have dogs too, it is so strange seeing this whole controversy of the diff park stakeholders and dogs vs bikers, and even weirder in your pics I see the guy with his dog on a leash the whole time during the tour in the middle of the forest -I assume that was a PR move or that the dog is uncontrollable around people? Ithought that area was 'leash off' anyways -so why is the dog leashed? In 33 years on the coast I have never seen a dog on a leash anywhere at any time other than walking along the road. Even then rarely. Not on the beach, not in the trails, not in yards, not in parks, definitely not in the middle of the forest, not anywhere. In fact I have been attacked by unleashed dogs in public places 5 separate times, the 6th being a St Bernard that broke its chain mid air (we were on the road) and went for my sister's throat before my Dad tackled it, while the owner stood there. And then just blamed us, for being on the road, I guess. Also been glared at on the road by dog walkers when driving by (I always steer wide and go slow) -I hope this doesn't mean we soon won't be allowed to use the roads. And I love dogs, although as a result of all that they make me nervous. And yes, some mnt bikers can be problematic, but it was my understanding that (1) parks are PUBLIC, as in for everyone (2) that the whole coast is already a freakin' off leash area. These days the avg rider is a 30 something family guy paying a mortgage themselves. Most mnt bikers are as annoyed by any bad riders as are dog walkers, and typically apply their own 'rough justice' to take care of those people, typically punk kids. But better to have kids riding and enjoying nature than doing drugs and breaking into your house. But lets face it, ignorance exists on both sides. So far the dog owners are trying to stifle free speech (ripping down the signs) and subvert due process (we don't even want to hear it, this is 'our'trail). Similar things happened in North Van trails, with hikers complaining that the mnt bikers were dangerous, and to prove their point they stormed council meetings with 'demands' and then 'sabotaged' the trails by putting logs around blind turns and such, causing a few broken bones and other injuries to those 'dangerous' riders, while nary an indignant hiker was ever injured. Things change, and usage will change over time as newer and younger groups with different interests become involved. I am just happy to see people getting involved -in anything. So, lets hope that idiotic means don't justify similar ends in this case. I look thru the pics and see a lot of intelligent and friendly people who are passionate about the outdoors, which is amazing. It's everyone's home, and freaking wilderness in all directions, people. So let's just skip this internecine warfare and work together to preserve and enjoy the outdoors, for us, and the generations to come.

Brandon Evans
the joke of it is that its the young mountain biking "punks" who build the trails for the complaining hikers. and by the way I don't know if you have a dog or not but no one wants their dog to go run away and get eaten by a cougar or hit by a car. that's the reason they are on leashes. its better that they are leashed for everyone including the animals themselves. these days many trails are built exclusively for talented bikers. hikers should respect that. keep in mind that there are other places to hike where no one is in danger: soams hill, cliff gilker,any beautiful beach, the bottom of mt.elphinstone. you dont see hikers on the downhill slopes at whistler. its not the riders fault if some one is crazy enough to stand in the middle of an actual reserved mountain bike trail. you don't see people standing in the middle of a highway.

Brandon Evans
great trail guys. cant wait to ride it when I get back. good pictures too.

You are right, what I said was an incorrect generalization, so is saying 'young mnt bike "punks" build all the trails'. Obviously neither is remotely true. I refer to those who do not practice good trail etiquette, be they riders or hikers. Thanks for helping me clarify.

We have owned dogs, yes. Never heard of a cougar problem on the coast ... See Morein all my years. Chased away a few black bears though.

Lastly, saying some trails built on public land are built 'exclusively for talented riders' is crap, it's the same "exclusion of use" argument the dog folks are using. The bottom line is that public land is for everyone, and that everyone needs to be able to get along. Should I be able to stand at the trail head and tell you to screw off based on my opinion that you can't ride or if I see you without a dog? Of course not. Just because you build a trail doesn't mean you own it -and if that is a person's thought process when building, then just build it on private property, put a fence around it, and save us all the hassle. Come on. Can't have it both ways.

Trish Thompson
I just read all the comments about the dogs and bikes and WOW...that's cool you are like a talk show host

Trish Thompson
do you think the radio guy will read this?

WOW Lots of great feedback and discussion!

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Wednesday, April 28, 2010

My parents added me on facebook! YIKES! Delete.

an ageless discussion, with links, comments and feedback...

"remove from friends"
A couple of my friends asked me if their kids were still facebook friends with me as they found themselves deleted and off their kids list! Having major abandonment issues myself I can imagine the fear, shame and hurt the parents feel and for anyone I guess who gets deleted or blocked as an online friend. I currently have over 2,300 friends on facebook and have not blocked or hidden any single one of them, just some of those dang games and applications like farmville! HA HA

Made me think about the many times I have encountered sensitive privileged information said by my friends kids and my younger friends on facebook. Or how do I deal with comments that possibly go way past the decency line on a public social networking blog like my facebook wall that has a huge demographic age spread, that might offend some people. I know a few times people take aim at what I say in my posts or the fan pages and groups I join.

Here is an example, one facebook friend said he was a "virgin" on my facebook wall, and wanted to WIN some of the 10 Vancouver Fashion Week tickets I was giving away in a contest. My alarm bells went off. You see, I have many great young friends on facebook AND their parents too! Was I over reacting? I mean its a Madonna song!

Another time, a friend innocently posted a humour story involving a young man with autism and I panicked cause I have a huge network of friends on facebook who struggle with the challenges of autism in their lives? Was I over reacting? It wasn't like they were saying hey faggot go die!

I decided to directly facebook email the persons involed to ask them their opinion given my circumstances. Not only do I have a huge spectrum of ages on my facebook profile, but also artists, musicians, business leaders, politicians and more. Surely someone is going to be offended!

I know I have often been privy to extremely confidential information from people of all ages and I keep it to myself, but sometimes, on rare blue moon occasions, when people start blogging messages that border on suicide and depression I have stepped in to alert family and friends, often finding myself the brunt of anger or greatly appreciated for giving a shit.

Other times I just offer the other person someone to vent with and yell at, or a friend who will listen and chat it out with. Sometimes I find a lot of friends and young people on facebook reaching out to me, who just want to chat and say hello and share what's on their mind. I have also noticed their is a certain number of people who are being bullied or are unique, creative talents, and so often find themselves as outcasts, and they reach out to me to talk and support each other. I couldn't be happier as I often feel that I am an outcast, so can maybe learn, grow, and share my experience and theirs.

A media website I subscribe too sent me an inquiry which I felt raised a good question which I often find myself in, and I decided to ask it on my facebook profile and see what kind of response I got.

TEENS, PARENTS & FACEBOOK??? What's your opinion?
Especially want to hear from young people!!!
"Teens today are pouring their hearts out on Facebook. While they might friend their aunts, uncles and other adult relatives, chances are they haven't friended their parents. What should the "friended" adults do if they see a ...status update or photos that are concerning? Do they tell the parents or approach the kids or say nothing? Social media has introduced some gotchas that people have to navigate carefully," from helpareporter

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Jennifer Rogers
It is pretty sad to see our teens not adding their parents as friends on FB. I am quite outspoken and if I found out that there was a serious problem with one of my son's peers and knew his parents did not know - I would contact them with my concerns, but I am sure this does not happen in most cases unfortunately.

Micha Bruecker
That is likely one of the reasons why teens use a bit of caution around befriending the FBI (FaceBook Inquisition) ;-)

However, I know many teens who are aware of the publicity of FB, use it accordingly and therefore have no problem being "friends" with their own parents or the parents of their peers. After all, the monitoring of FB by the "elders" can and does function as a safety net if done respectfully.

I would contact the person whom I'm concerned about instead of/before talking to their parents.

Jack Amble
My kids have me added as a FB friend. And I have seen status posts made by other younger FB members that prompted me to phone their moms. So far, everything has worked out.

Duane Burnett
Great comments Jennifer, Micah, and Jack... I often find myself reaching out to people who sound dangerously stressed, but I do it in private fb mail, but one example I had was someone blogging on my wall they were a virgin! I got a little sensitive and explained to them that I have a lot of young friends and their parents on fb. I put it on the "virgin" to tell me if they thought it was appropriate. They said they meant it as a joke. On the other extreme the term faggot homo gay kill are used frequently by kids and so is terminology bordering on suicidal despair. Your feedback to this question is super appreciated.

Duane Burnett
I notice this is a popular new fb page people are joining
Teenagers are either drunk, having sex, stressed, b*tching, or asleep

Trish Thompson
and? you don' t remember being a teenager???

Heather Pearce Lyons
actually when i was a teenager, you are right i was either high, having sex, stressed , bitching or asleep or seeking spiritual guidance from all the wrong places...i turned out good ha ha

Manuen Edwards
what you've got there is a real big onion subject !
it's a tricky one for sure ..... but i do think kids should fb friend parents like Micha said kids should use fb accordingly and if they cant do that well then they should be getting monitored !!!

Pammila Stew Ruth
My own kids not allowed until they are 15, and they will HAVE to Friend me, or NO Facebook. (yes, we DO have that power!) I do have some older teen friends and family members on FB, one who has not let his mother in. I see pix of him smoking up with his buddies, drinking etc... I also have the *ahem* honour of reading all the lovely break-up ... crap between himself and his girlfriend in their on-again-off-again relationship. Do I tell his mom? No. He would drop me from his friend list like a hot potato, and then if something seriously went wrong that he mentioned on FB, I would not know and could not help. The everyday 'normal' crap a teen goes through seems so foreign to us now. We may not relate to it, but we have to respect their choices. If there is a true cry for help, or if the status is dark and cryptic I have been known to message them personally to see if they are okay. Stayed up once messaging with one till 1:00 am... Girlfriend break up hit him hard. Bottom line: Yes. I would contact the parent if I felt the teen was in danger.

Duane Burnett
WOW these comments and feedback just keep getting better. Pammila... that's great that you make being friends on fb part of the family rules and that you are discreet with the privileged information and world young people bring you into. I think it is really important to respect privacy and really pick what you are going to say for emergencies. Well done!

Susan Davidson
Teens ??? problem is with elementary school kids on fb...signing on as High School students...then maligning their teachers & each other ! Disgusting ! The RCMP worked it out.

Diana Gledhill-Park
Arggggg touchy subject..and I don't like to screw up trust.

What I was really surprised by was the complete lack of any comments from "kids" (hate using that term), at least so far, not even from my close young friends on facebook, despite my direct appeal. I am confused especially given the opportunity this was for them to share what for them was appropriate for adults in these situations and friends who feel in the dark.

I was wondering where the parents were too? 13 comments seems to be a little low when social networking is so popular. Maybe this topic is just a non-starter, or maybe parents and youth are just not going there, and feel its better left unsaid?

I have, or hope I have been at least, respectful, confidential and equal in all aspects around deep discussions with my friends who are "younger" then me. I think they would back me on that.

What I do seem to feel is appropriate if you are friends with your kids online is you DON"T embarrass them, or yourself (although the line is really blurred these days on what exactly is embarrassing and over the top too much) AND don't stick you nose in where its not wanted, or you will be deleted as a friend quite quickly!

If you push the boundaries and become a control freak, rather then empowering your kids with their own integrity, .....I know that (I am spilling the beans sorry) the kids will create an alternate profile, one parent sanctioned and approved, the other, well.... not so much. I feel it is better for open behaviour rather then driving youth underground behind your back where they develop unhealthy substance misuse habits for a lifetime, rather then healthy habits for a lifetime.

What do you think? Maybe the question should be.. how would we like to be treated ourselves online and on social sites in general rather then being age specific.

I Googled the question and got a few websites for you to check out for more information on this subject... offers a qood over view of what the heck facebook is all about!

I have pulled out a few things of note from this one particular link for you:

Walls: Exercise discretion. If you wouldn't say it in front of your child's peers, don't post it on his wall. Wishing someone "Happy Birthday" on his wall is fine. Commenting on his appearance, friends or embarrassing antics from the past? No.

Don't Embarrass Your Kid: You've lectured your child on the dangers of posting pictures of keggers. Take the same advice yourself. Don't post humiliating or ill-advised photos. Don't post that adorable shot of junior, naked, on a bearskin rug at age 2. The moment you "tag" him - identify him - in a Facebook photo, his friends all get a note that says there's a new photo of him online. And when it comes to photos of yourself, remember it's not just your child's college administrators and prospective employers vetting online sites. Your boss may be looking too.

Now-a-days people are way more open about stuff and a lot less judgmental so I don't think you need to be paranoid and paralyzed by social networking. Maybe the teachers who did the lap dance at a school function was not the appropriate venue for horse play like that. Use common sense. Famous last words. Remember women were not allowed to wear pants at one time, Elvis and the mini-skirt caused a few heart attacks in their time, online dating sites are the norm and a lot of people find true love, so society is always changing.

And I am sure another big question is if all this fun on facebook, twitter, myspace, youtube and other social networks is healthy? Like everything in life, moderation is the of course the key. We all need to have exercise and a good diet. Seems that social networks help this by making it easier to communicate with friends, but if all you do is sit in front of the computer blogging how bored you are, its time to get out of the house and do something for your health, read a book, do anything... I know first hand how fun and addicting facebook is, my latest craze is Family Feud with my friends, not to forget Cafe World and Mafia World.

Here is a good link for you where they discuss the pros and cons of social networking and its effect. It basically concludes:

Parents of teens will be relieved by research reporting that Facebook, MySpace and other social networking sites can enhance relationship skills in healthy teenagers.

Thanks so much for reading my blogspot! HUGE thanks for your comments!
If you have anything to add or fill in please do! Much appreciated.

It's always a good day on the Sunshine Coast, Peace, Duane Burnett

photos/story (C) Duane Burnett

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Tuesday, April 27, 2010

The Pain of Meat & Vegetables

Have Your Meat and Torture It To.


One of my facebook friends posted some horrific photos of absolutely terrible injuries inflicted on horses going to a slaughter house which enraged and disgusted me so much I threw caution and censorship to the wind and shared them on my own profile.

I can't understand why our species has lost reverence for Life and can be so cruel to other Life forms. Having always had a keen interest in the Earth, nature and the environment, combined with being bullied a lot by society it came to my understanding that people who are cruel to animals and their pets do the same to other animals in their life, like their wife, mother and kids!

These people often turn into serial killers and were often suffering from what I call the Abominable snow man effect in Rudolph... Really angry at the world and feeling unloved. I try to always remember that when people are mean these days so I remember to see to the heart of them and not judge them for their ego.

I must say, while this may be a bit "white man nostalgia" or perhaps too much Walt Disney as a kid, but for me and I hope my First Nation Native Friends and Family will back me on this one, what I respect a great deal in indigenous cultures was there was a ritual, thanks and blessing built into their culture when there was ever any killing of an animal, that gave thanks to its Spirit, Life and the Universe which showed Gratitude. Wow... we sure need more of that in this world!

Their are many groups out there raising awareness and a voice for the world's vulnerable animals and people: Dolphin's, rain forests, homeless, elephants, dogs and seals are just the tip of the iceberg. I am sure you have your own soft spots too. When I was a kid, one of my pet peeves was inhumane trapping like leg hold traps and snares where the animal eats its own paw off and dies a slow painful death...

But I digress off topic yet again....

What I found interesting from the discussion about animal cruelty I posted on my facebook profile, was how it quickly turned into a eating meat versus vegetarian discussion.

I often try to refrain from using over used WWII terminology to describe the horrific food factory torture farms of our modern society but its hard not to go there. To me Life, any Life, is worthy of respect and reverence, not a horrific existence where it lives in absolutely despicable conditions and a terrified ending. I can't help but think that that energy felt by this animal, becomes part of the food we eat!

I went to go see the movie Food Inc at our local theatre and I was just appalled and saddened by our species.

"In Food, Inc., filmmaker Robert Kenner lifts the veil on our nation's food industry, exposing the highly mechanized underbelly that has been hidden from the American consumer with the consent of our government's regulatory agencies, USDA and FDA. Our nation's food supply is now controlled by a handful of corporations that often put profit ahead of consumer health, the livelihood of the American farmer, the safety of workers and our own environment."

Shees, and that's a sanitized synopsis of what you see in the movie. I will never forget them taking a fork lift to the poor maimed cow crippled by its living conditions. Its scary people! Please wake up from your dream...

Below are some comments and feedback from my facebook page that I think you will enjoy reading and might spawn some thoughts, opinions, suggestions of your own...

Some of the photos at the link show emaciated starving filthy little baby horses aka foals, a horse with both its eyes gouged out, and another with its insides hanging out of a puncture. Was it intentional? The people say YES! New Hope Horse Shelter (DoubleHP)'s PHOTOS - b4 they are slaughtered: there are no words..only shame & sadness

19 Comments NO LIKES!

Duane Burnett
You have been warned. These photos are posted by the New Hope Horse Shelter (DoubleHP) and show horses and baby colts maimed and in tortured pain. Where is our reverence and respect for all Life? Someone please explain this. I can't comprehend what has happened to our species that this is even remotely acceptable!

Penny Berdahl
Thats nasty :( Makes me cry ..poor thing :(

Duane Burnett
makes one speechless. how can a conscious being be so cruel and disrespectful of Life.

Matt James McNab

Diana Halter
I cannot look. I will imagine them healed. Peace.

Roberto Kaplan
Shocking perception of a destructive reality.

Zoe Barbaro
i don't understand....what are horses slaughtered for????

Micha Bruecker
Thank you Duane!
Yes, horses are cute, right? What about the pigs, cows, chickens etc. etc. who are treated the same way or worse? We don't WANT to know how our meat is treated before we throw it on the BBQ. The only way to stop this is to become vegan, grow your own meat or camapign heavily e.g. buy only meat you know where it comes from.

Rob Thomson
Animals are being bred for inhumane slaughter by humans who have an archaic and unnecessary taste for flesh. We don't need animal protein anymore. Our brains no longer need meat protein as they did in prehistoric times when we were developing a larger brain mass. We have options today.We humans are a sad and sorry lot indeed. Visit a slaughter house and you will - I guarantee it - never, never eat animal flesh again.

Duane Burnett
I watched the movie Food Inc at the Raven's Cry.. and I was disgusted that our species condones such horrible concentration camps for food production. The worse for me was the lame horse, its front legs crippled by the conditions it lived in, so to move it they took a forklift to it. Absolutely no respect for Life! I can imagine that their tortured... See More Spirits are taken up in the meat we eat. Here in these photos of maimed horses, they are going to the factory for glue, dog food and make-up! Don't I feel pretty now?

Rob Thomson
I was horrified when I visited a slaughter house first in my youth in Toronto at the Essex plant in Weston then later in life as an insurance broker insuring food production plants and farms in BC. The anxiety level in the animals was overwhelming - they sensed what was happening inside and the pens and stockyards were appalling. Commercial animal ... See Moreslaughter is nothing short of cruelty and we humans just ignore it so we can dig into or fat laden burgers. However revenge is nature's I guess as all that animal flesh combined with our lifestyle and lack of exercise is the main culprit for disease and death. I guess in a sense what you eat bits you back sooner or later.

Taylor Peterson
that's so mean to do i woud help them if i could :((((((((((

Diana Gledhill-Park
Ya why horses? What do they do with them? and Im not going to look at the clip...

Kathy McDougall Elson
this is terrible!! I can't even watch this clip. I am a horse lover and if we ever do get property I want to get one but what can be done about this?! It's just wrong!!

Micha Bruecker
Horses are meat. If you want to help, then STOP EATING MEAT. As simple as that. Whining won't do anything.

Trish Thompson
so sorry but some of us need meat to live
and what does that have to do with cruelty.
Vegetables are alive too Micha

Duane Burnett
thanks for all the great feed back everyone.... I go around saving the worms and slugs from harm in this world, seeing this cruelty towards animals gave this horrible nightmare about taking a chainsaw to a live animal to cut it into a better fitting size! Another typical night for me. Arghhh! I did take a moment to breath in the pain and breath out Peace... ♥

Rob Thomson
We who live in the comfort of the 1st world do not need "meat" to live. Meat is the flesh of sentient animals including humans. We needed meat protein early in our evolution as humans in order to develop necessary brain mass but at this point in our evolution we can utilize less meat protein and consume sufficient quantities from alternate vegetable and fruit sources. In the west, our need for meat is simply a lifestyle choice not an essential as we have access to most alternate protein sources. Meat protein is a scarce commodity in the 3rd and 4th worlds and we would do better here to assist our fellow human beings by changing our consumption pattens, reducing our greed and looking to the future where food production is plant based and sustainable unlike animal husbandry.

Micha Bruecker
Trish, have you ever been in a slaughter house? There's your answer regarding cruelty (not that it begins there). I have a lot of compassion for veggies, but I don't put them in the same category as mammals.

New Hope Horse Shelter (DoubleHP)
Duane, that is a great uproar! Way to go! you might want to visit They are the ones who got the photos from USDA. And gave us permission to use them to help show the truth. They are interesting. They go on the road too, following trucks around and taking pictures in livestock auction facilities. Showing us the truth.

Duane Burnett
Apparently horses are shipped to Canada which is not immune to people torturing the animals according to this CBC NEWS report and many other Canadian news agencies.

Micha Bruecker
DUANE, I COULD NOT AGREE MORE with everything you said!
Yes, food has become a huge strictly for-profit industry without much regard for the suffering of the sentient beings it "produces".
That is just part of the story: In fact, every single human on this planet could be fed well, we have enoughagrculturally viable land to do this. However, the ... See Morebig companies who hold the near-monopoly on food production are not interested in fair distribution (not to mention nutritional content or safety), only in satisfying their shareholders.
When I was a kid most neighbours grew the majority of their food in their backyard and kept some chickens and rabbits - most of the latter in fairly good conditions.
Having a garden patch to grow some of the food we consume helps. We try and help out the neighbours who cannot (or do not want to) harvest their fruit etc. by doing it for them and sharing the crop.
Each of us can greatly improve matters and our own life by becoming more independent of BIG FOOD INC.
Thank you for starting this.

Nichole Lagasse
Thanks for sharing this Duane!
Hard to swallow those photos....while humans are omnivores and have the enzymes in our intestinal tracts to digest "meat". Biologically, we absorb both Vit B12 and iron easier and more efficiently from "meat" but to subject a sentient being, be our food source, offspring or a companion, to abject misery? how healthy ... is that gonna be to consume? Holy is unforgivable!
Evolution gave us free will, but our digestive enzymes follow. Not digesting heme sources shuts down the production of enzymes in the gut to no longer seek meat for B12 and iron. Hell...give a lifelong veggie a bacon cheeseburger and you might just kill her!
Tough fence to sit on. 'specially since I love meat.
Again, thanks for the food for thought! I wish for warm open loving pastures for those who suffered!

David F Devo Faber
I cut up a fresh carrot today and it screamed and bled beta-carotene all over the cutting board. I then had a glass of water and some bacteria yelled "please not into that hole". So I took my last breath of air as the microbes cried.
It is all bad. Us humans have got to go, we are just a blight on the planet.

What is sad is most everything in the supermarket these days is just plain garbage, how can fruit juice not have any nutrition in it but take up an entire aisle? The food that is healthy is almost non-existent or too costly for families too afford or riddled with pesticides and toxins.

What is going on out there people? Have we gone mad? Seems a bag of potato chips and an aisle of 100 different types of shampoo bottles has more value then Life itself. Kids think that beef comes from the store and many of us are in a collective denial.

Food is produced with one thing in mind, the cheapest way possible, forcing our farmers to live in poverty, while corporations make big bucks, our democracy becomes more and more of a capitalist dictatorship, our farmlands are paved, our animals tortured for a steak, chicken breast, bacon and eggs, and our fish kept in pig pens that kill our oceans.

Thanks for reading my lament this far.... appreciate that. I think I am realizing as I blog in this online journal, that standing up for the rights of other Life forms, whether that be wildlife, animals, pets or people, has always been in my blood since I was a kid.

If you have comments or information you would like to add, please share them with me.

... and please remember, It's always a good day on the Sunshine Coast!

Peace! Yours for the Planet, Duane

Story/photos (C) Duane Burnett
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Monday, April 26, 2010

Zac Efron, Charlie St. Cloud & Duane Burnett

Photos Links News Fans by Duane Burnett

Lots of LINKS... so scroll all the way down

Nov 13, 2010
RENTED IT on DVD... Hollywood Gibsons
Can totally feel where Charlie St. Cloud is coming from. Rented it tonight from Sid's Vids. I know that heart ♥ Amanda Crew is just damn fabulous with Zac! Gibsons, British Columbia looked fab, cinematography was sweet. Was fun to see how a movie is put together. LOT of cable!

Sept 21, 2010
Charlie St Cloud release on DVD video Tuesday, November 09, 2010.
Check out other movies filmed in Gibsons, BC CLICK HERE

July 31, 2010
THANK U. I am in CharlieSt_Cloud, The Georgia Straight, Vancouver Sun, The Province & Oil BP Naughty to Nature hip hop parody all at same time!

Last Night was the big world premiere of Charlie St Cloud. I watched facebook and twitter to get a sense of what people were saying. The stats from sum it up. 4th place showing, earning a mere $15 million and a rating of 2 1/2 out of 5 stars.

Based on facebook fan base, the movie Harry Potter is at 1st place with 1,313,853 fans and Charlie St Cloud with 732,374. Zac's movie placed 9th on the most discussed movies. Doesn't even rate in the top ten for most viewed trailers but experienced a strong growth in online fans this weekend with the release of the movie according to Box Office.

I have to say, that locally here on the Sunshine Coast, the stats are similarly reflected in the poor analytics showing of Zac Efron and Charlie St Cloud on my blogspot, flickr and facebook stats. Compared to a last September when the photo gallery had 20,000 views in one day, this weekend it is barely scratching 1,000 views.

A Mandala painting sending healing to the world's oceans had 5 times more views then Zac Efron's Charlie St Cloud. !,000 views of the blog in one day.

And trust me I promoted the heck out of Charlie St Cloud being it was filmed in my home town, even though I never got any support or help from the people making the movie. Didn't even reply to requests or emails to have a special premiere locally. In fact both theatres in Gibsons and Sechelt weren't even going to run the movie until the very last minute.

Fans of Zac Efron LOVE him even more and think he is the "most gorgeous" thing ever on the planet, saying the movie was a great human tearful experience making them love him even more earning an 85 to 95% positive buzz on the internet.

July 20, 2010
Duane Burnett & Raven's Cry Theatre are giving away 4 tickets to one lucky winner & their friends to see Zac Efron's Charlie St Cloud. PLAYING July 30-Aug 5. Contest Ends July 28th. Read Contest RULES.


July 19, 2010
A Charlie St Cloud facebook event page was created for the movie premiere July 30th so you can add it to your profile events listings and share/invite friends.

Charlie St. Cloud Facebook Event Page

July 18, 2010
Wow the count down to July 30th. Saw a TV Commercial for Charlie St Cloud so sent a tweet out to my awesome twitter friends asking them to RT re-tweet if they were looking forward to the movie.

July 12, 2010
Twilight Eclipse mania dies down. Will all eyes turn from Taylor Lautner to Zac Efron now? The movie premieres July 30th. Still pretty bummed they are not doing a special screening for the town of Gibsons on the Sunshine Coast, BC.

July 7, 2010
The grand prize winner of the “Hometown Screening with Zac Efron” is:
Emily J., St. Louis, MO

July 6, 2010
Spoke to Gibsons & Sechelt Theatres. Sounds like NO Zac Efron-Charlie St Cloud special screening for the town. Sorry everyone. Duane

I've earned 100 points and qualified for a chance to win a Hometown Screening with Zac Efron!
Add me as a friend!

I am wondering out loud if the Producers of Charlie St Cloud will have a special screening here in Gibsons, BC? The town was used for some of the stunning boat harbour scenery you see (harbor in U.S.). I have people already wanting me to go to the premiere night, so I have started to see if the local theatres would like to do something for all the local actors, crew and fans. Will let you know. I haven't heard back from the movie's publicist at all yet.

My sources tell me that the latest word on Charlie St Cloud is they didn't like the way the ending turned out so they are re-shooting in West Vancouver right now. However, on May 19th the official blog mentions the re shoots and stars but not the reason why? A completely new ending is a really big change for a movie. They must have made some screen tests and audiences wanted a different ending. I wonder when the DVD comes out if they will offer both versions?

With the working title shortened, Charlie St. Cloud is schedule to premier at US Movie Theatres on July 30th, 2010. The movie starring Zaz Efron, Ray Liota, Kim Basinger, Amanda Crew, Augustus Prew and Charlie Tahan was filmed around Vancouver, British Columbia.

LOTS more NEW Videos released on the Charlie St Cloud Youtube channel here >

Charlie St Cloud facebook fan page reports the movie will be release July 30th, 2010 and not October as originally scheduled.

Charlie Tahan co-stars as Zac Efron's younger brother...
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Charlie St Cloud star Charlie Tahan was kind enough to pose with the fans and let me takes some photos with him. He is definitely going to be a household name after this movie comes out. No that is not "real" blood you can see in the numerous photos I took with him when he came up during a break in filming to meet the hundreds of fans outside and sign autogrpahs. He was filming a scene for the movie in a mock up ambulance inside a sound stage which doubles as our local curling rink. You can see more photos of Charlie at my flickr PHOTO site. He has numerous movies under his belt already and I think he will be a rising star for sure. I don't want to spoil the movie, but Tahan is killed in a car accident and comes back as a ghost that only Zac Efron's character can see.

You might also enjoy checking out all these new official movie posters and photos for Charlie St Cloud

Many locals got parts as extra's including myself, when filming shifted to the gorgeous harbour setting of Gibsons Landing, BC. I have always loved movie making magic so went crazy on the photo front. Please forgive me! Ha Ha....

What got me started on compiling this story was the Province Newspaper asked me what movies I was looking forward to this Summer and I said none, axcept for Charlie St. Cloud this fall. So I did a Google of my name and the movie to see what was out there and was surprised to see how popular my photos were, how many shout outs there were to me in connection to the movie, and well let's be real, the star Zac Efron! So hence I started compiling all the fan page, blog, photo, video links for all of you. smile

There was an incredible 20,000 views of my Movie Set photos in one day!

I have brought together the different links to see photos and websites, fan pages and some background on Gibsons, BC

What amazes me is how my Flickr PHOTO Gallery of all the movie set action filtered onto other peoples sites. I would like to thank those who used my photos that were kind enough to give me a photo credit link back to my site! Much appreciated. Duane

Charlie St. Cloud - Trailer - In Theaters July 30 [HD]

Charlie St. Cloud

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Zac Efron, Amanda Crew & Director Burr Steers wrap up filming in Hopkins Landing, near Gibsons, BC. Amanda plays Zac's love interest who comes between him and the ghost of his younger brother played by Charlie Tahan.

THESE PHOTOS ARE on my facebook FAN PAGE as well. Tag you're It! Duane Burnett

Zac Efron Charlie St. Cloud Photo Albums by Duane Burnett
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I was all over reporting the breaking news and fan sightings with all the Zac Efron and movie fans, and found facebook to be an amazing tool to share information quickly!

I actually found myself naturally gently pushed to know what was happening by the community itself so they could see their star Zaz Efron!

Even the Vancouver Sun reporter Randy Shore who lives on the Sunshine Coast noticed all the excitement. Read his story further down.....

One thing I quickly learned was a bit of a generation meld potential for this movie, as there was a distinct crowd of Zac Efron Fans's and another for Kim Basinger and Ray Liota. If I had a chance to interview them I was going to delicately ask how this movie would enhance each other's careers by bringing a whole generation of fans that might not have known them before. Unfortunately the Publicist denied me even a photo op or interview.

Most of all it was great to have the crew choose Gibsons for a location so I thanked them on facebook and here were some of the responses from our community.

It was also pretty awesome to not only have an extra part in the movie but to also be interviewed by the documentary team archiving the movie behind the scenes.

Thank you to ALL the Death and Life of Charlie St. Cloud film crew and actors like Zac Efron for being so awesome and putting Gibsons on the world map! Over 20,000 views of my site in last few days alone!!! That's got to be GOOD for tourism and business! The movie crew have told me the Sunshine Coast has been FANTASTIC! Thanks for ALL your understanding patience with the film making process in our community!!!!
Cheers Duane Burnett

Laurie McConnell
Thanks for bringing the energy and business to the Sunshine Coast. Our community appreciates it very much, and if there's anything we can/should do to get the word out in your industry to improve upon the welcome, please let us know!

Penny Berdahl
Hi Duane...Was great to see you at lunch today. Many people talked about the pictures you had taken. I know because of the person that you are..You took the pictures of the movie excitement, to share with the local people; to capture their excitement by taking the pictures of them around town. Many might never experience this kinda of magical event again in their lives. Our small town was accepted and; appreciated the the movie crew...They were all wonderful people allowing all of Us to enjoy this movie making......As I believe they did......I'm have experienced being in this movie, with so many nice people......I seen old; met new friends . I feel it brought our community closer ...because of the magical feeling of Hollywood in *Our Home Town* .

Lynette Legault
Huge thumbs up to the 2 guys that always came out and told the fans if, and when they could see their heartthrob, and to all of the crew for bringing Gibsons to life! We enjoyed you all:)

Kera Mchugh
and to Duane for documenting it all so thoroughly... and tirelessly serving the community as always.

Carole Carlton
You Rock Duane!!

Denise Whiting-Gregorchuk
Kudos to the crew and cast of the movie you guys are all very personable people with huge hearts! you guys did a great job, cant wait to see the movie now~

Sue Booth
You did such an amazing job..great ambassador for the Town!!

Jade Ontheocean
.you looked so cute with all the kidz xo

CoCo LeGault
Thank-you to ALL the Death and Life of Charlie st .Cloud film crew, and actors like Zac for being so nice and kind to all your fans and taking time to sign autographs and get picture's you all made Gibsons a well 2 weeks and thank-you Zac &... Kim even though no one i don't think got a chance to see her. Zac said to me and a couple other people that its B-E-A-U-T-I-F-U-L here and he's going to come back to Gibsons with Vanessa next :D Should be awesome :D Thank-you Duane as well ! WE LOVE YOU ZAC EFRON AND KIM BASSINGER :)

Sue Booth
going to miss all this!! sad face (don't know how to do the emoticon)

Ashley Benner
tell zac thanks for coming out and signing autographs even when he wasn't suppose too!!!

Andrea Kenez
Thanks for letting me to be a background extra; on the set. It was a great experience! love to do it again! Hope to see you again!

Monica Stachoski-Messier
To everyone involved in the production of the movie ,, my girls and I thank you for leaving us lasting memories :) ! Hope you come back the coast sometime :)!

Debbie DeWolff
Go are the real superstar:)

Kim Tournat
I love the pics of you, Duane, signing autographs!!

Terra Daniels
Fantastic pics!

Marlene Toth
a few Duane fans too i c...:) WELL DONE

Siobhán Smith
"I had great fun working as an extra and really appreciated the professionalism and positive attitudes of all those involved in making the film! thanks again for the opportunity to work "behind the scenes"!"

Penny Berdahl
"Thank you to everyone that was involved with making the all were wonderful.....with you kindness & welcoming smiles & laughter. It was an awesome experience & I will carry it the wonderful memories of the magicial feeling of Hollywood in **our home Town** Thank you all again to all the nice ladies that guided us in our exciting journey . :) Come back & visit have my number ;)"

Carole Carlton
"Thank you to the crew for the great connection they made with the Sunshine Coast especially the way things were handled with the locals who still had to navigate through their days - the traffic coordination was excellent, the crew were always pleasant and friendly. A soft footprint and care taken to ensure us regulars that our interests were important. Cheers!!!!"

Carole Sauve
I look forward to seeing the movie. Thanks.

Yvette Fleming:
"I think it was great having you guys here and I hope more movies get done on the Sunshine Coast. Come again."

Where is Gibsons, BC and the Sunshine Coast?


The Death and Life of Charlie St. Cloud
Charlie St. Cloud is a young man overcome by grief at the death of his younger brother. So much so that he takes a job as caretaker of the cemetery in which his brother is buried. Charlie has a special lasting bond with his brother though, as he can see him. Charlie meets up with his brother (Sam) each night to play catch and talk. Then, a girl comes into Charlie's life and he must choose between keeping a promise he made to Sam, or going after the girl he loves

About Kim Basinger

About Zac Efron x=0&y=0

About the MOVIE and OTHER actors/crew

Starring in the movie are
Zac Efron ... Charlie St. Cloud
Kim Basinger
Ray Liota
Donal Logue
Amanda Crew ... Tess Carroll
Charlie Tahan ... Sam St. Cloud
Augustus Prew ... Alistair Wooley
Paul Duchart ... Reverend Polk

1. "The Beachcombers" (1972) TV Series ...aka "Beachcombers" (1988) (Canada: English title: last season title)
2. A Beachcombers Christmas (2004) (TV)
3. The Death and Life of Charlie St. Cloud
4. The New Beachcombers (2002) (TV)
5. The Seamstress (2009)
6. Needful Things, Stephen King
7. Sewn aka The Seamstress (horror)

PHOTOS Beachcombers Christmas Behind the Scenes >> 72157603244138705/

PHOTOS Beachombers TV Series 35th Anniversary with Jackson Davies >> 72157601962044768/

Movie Magic... I was invited on to a very spooky set to take a photo with the Stars and Director of this movie in Roberts Creek, BC INFO/Movie Trailer 910 Working title was "Sewn" and released on DVD for Halloween 2009 as the "Seamstress" Genre HORROR!

SEWN aka The Seamstress

Vancouver goes cRaZy for STARS!
Robert Pattinson, Kristen Stewart and Taylor Lautner drive Vancouver crazy â Twilight hysteria spills over into Zac attack; Vancouverites used to be indifferent to film stars â then came the Twilhards Wednesday, September 16th, 2009 | 2:40 pm
Canwest News Service

VANCOUVER Hollywood North is on the verge of losing its reputation for cool.

Vancouver has seen stars aplenty since the city graduated into one of North Americaâs film and television centres. A-listers such as Sean Penn and Robert De Niro are seen walking down the street and dining without bodyguards. Heck, Goldie and Kurt felt so comfortable they bought a house here some years ago.

Ben Affleck and Jennifer Garner were molested by paparazzi, but they had a new baby and the public had a right to know what the little tyke looks like. They werenât mobbed by fans, only the working press.

"Celebrities have always felt quite comfortable in Vancouver and thatâs part of our charm and our competitive advantage," said B.C. Film Commissioner Susan Croome.

History will record that 2009 was the year that everything changed. When filming started last spring on New Moon, the second story in the Twilight saga by author Stephenie Meyer, fans flocked to filming locations in the hundreds, creating unprecedented security headaches for the producers.

Twilight stars Rob Pattinson, Taylor Lautner and Kristen Stewart are back in Vancouver making the third film, Eclipse, until the end of October and the hysteria shows no sign of letting up. The young stars are tracked by fans to their hotel and favourite restaurants and any bars and clubs where they might try to sneak a drink or see a band.

Fans travel from all over North America and as far away as New Zealand to track their vampire heroes in the hope of getting a picture or an autograph. Some have succeeded, many more failed.

Maybe it's a virus. Even little Gibsons Landing goes ga-ga over a Zac Efron sighting. The High School Musical star is filming The Death and Life of Charlie St. Cloud on the Sunshine Coast and attracting some Twilightesque fan attention of his own.

When Zac Efron stopped by the shopping mall on the town's main drag, he probably didn't know the local high school was right next door. He was mobbed.

Girls from Elphinstone Secondary gather daily near the waterfront after school and on evenings and weekends for a chance to see Efron. The camera crane on the pier is a clear indication that filming will eventually take place here, but today,s crowd doesn,t know when.

Holly Carter and Courtney Dionne are back after spending three hours waiting for something to happen the day before.

"Today I saw [Efron] drive by me and I was having a freak-out, I was screaming," said Carter.

"I wasn't there," said a dejected Dionne.

Carterâs Facebook status that day read "ZAC EFRON LOOKED AT ME, LIFE = COMPLETE."

"It's all anyone at school is talking about," said Grace Burns. "He's a big celebrity in a small town and you don't see that very often.

"You look around and you see younger girls prowling the street," said Burns, who was sitting with three friends outside The Beachcombers' iconic cafe Molly's Reach hoping for a Zac sighting. "I heard a dad ask his kids if they had seen Zac yet, so even the parents know."

The Facebook status of nearly every girl in school reads "Out prowling for Zac" or words to that effect, Burns said.

The sets for Charlie St. Cloud and Eclipse are closed to the media, so little information is available for fans. The demand for pictures of the stars and any little tidbits of information that can be gleaned by stealth is substantial. Twilight-related stories are huge traffic booster for news and entertainment websites.

Eclipse producers are begging newspaper websites and radio stations outlets in Vancouver not to disclose the filming locations, citing security and safety concerns for both the cast and crew and the fans. For the most part, New Moon and Eclipse have used locations on dead-end streets or remote single access properties that are easily defended. But when urban locations are required, fans are quick to pounce.

Twitter, Facebook and Twilight fansites are constantly updating every rumoured location and star sighting to thousands of hungry Twi-hards at a pace the mainstream media cannot match.

Croome isn't convinced Hollywood North has completely lost its cool.

"I'm not sure that Charlie St. Cloud is quite the same thing as Twilight, not to the point that they have real safety concerns," said Croome. "Twilight is the phenomenon the like of which we have never seen before."

"People aren't flying in to see a star like Zac Efron," she said.

Randy Shore, Vancouver Sun newspaper,


"Duane Burnett caught up with the cast and crew of The Death and Life of Charlie St. Cloud again, this time north of Gibsons at Hopkins Landing."

"Filming was underway at “Flynn’s Reach” and both Ray Liotta and Zac Efron were on set. To compensate for the gloomy skies and rain, very bright lights were in use. Later in the day, the rain let up and Zac was able to spend some time outside with fans."

"Over the past few days, crew members have been working around Gibsons, BC on the Sunshine Coast preparing several locations for filming. Photographer and local celebrity Duane Burnett has been photographing the activities.

They have repainted the famous facade of Molly’s Reach (featured in the Canadian TV show The Beachcombers) and renamed it Flynn’s Reach. They have also dressed the interior."

"Some pics from Gibsons by Duane Burnett
From Duane Burnett's facebook page. I am only posting some of them, the ones that seem more relevant to shooting. If you'd like to see his other shots, click on the source at the bottom of the post.

Molly's Reach is most recognizable as a part of the long-running Canadian show The Beachcombers. According to his FB page, the side was repainted, presumably to be less recognizable in this film... that gives us an idea of the angles that are being shot here.

"Zac Efron in The Death and Life of Charlie St. Cloud. Gibsons BC film set with Duane Burnett" As a side note, this twitter pic posted by a fan of Zac's was made by a friend who created this split image to show Zac and I's "resemblance" she went on to say that I am the real star of the Sunshine Coast. Thanks Melina, I was quite flattered!

"This guy rocks for taking pics of the Charlie St. Cloud Gibsons locations for all of us who can't be there :D"

VIDEO: The Death and Life Of Charlie St.Cloud Set - Car Accident Scene

Welcome to's Image Archive.

"Duane Burnett posted a photo: Ryan the stand in for Zac Efron had some huge fans of his own!"

Charlie St. Cloud Facebook Fan Page

Another Charlie St. Cloud Facebook Fan Page
19 May 2010 "Re-shoots for Charlie St Cloud Begin" Zac Efron and Amanda Crew were back on the set on Tuesday to film their first scenes for the Charlie St. Cloud reshoots taking place this week in Vancouver. Kim Basinger was also seen arriving in town yesterday although she was not part of these scenes. Zac and Amanda arrived already on Sunday and Zac had was photographed on Monday freshening up his sailing skills for the upcoming filming.

Gibsons, on the Sunshine Coast, BC Canada was used for the film set. Gibsons became infamous for the long running CBC TV Series the Beachcombers seen in dozens of countries around the world.

WATCH THIS 4 Minute Video Tribute to the Sunshine Coast on youtbue!

JOIN Duane Burnett on Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, Blogspot, and Myspace.......

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Well there you have it, my attempt at bringing together some Zac Efron, Charlie St. Cloud excitement together. If you have something to add let me know! Thanks Duane

While all this movie excitement was going on, winning best town in the world was the icing on the cake for locals!

It's Always A Good Day on the Sunshine Coast!

photos/story (C) Duane Burnett

Duane Burnett Blogspot


GIBSONS WINS MOST LIVEABLE TOWN! named most liveable community under/2097306/story.html

Gibsons named most liveable community under 20,000 by UN-backed body
Randy Shore , Vancouver Sun: Tuesday, October 13, 2009

The Sunshine Coast town of Gibsons has earned a Gold Award for liveability from the United Nations-backed International Awards for Liveable Communities.

Gibsons - pop. 4,200 - won in the Whole City category for towns with a population under 20,000 for best practice and leadership in creating a socially and environmentally sound community.

A 40-minute ferry ride from West Vancouver, Gibsons consists of the quaint fishing village of Gibsons Landing and the commercial-industrial hub of Upper Gibsons on Highway 101.

The award recognizes the town’s aggressive program of guidelines to encourage development that conserves enery, water and land as well as the first-in-North-America Geo-exchange District Energy System, which will capture thermal energy with underground heat-exchangers on municipal greenspace and supply heat to up to 900 residential and commercial buildings.

“We’re feeling fantastic,” said Gibsons Chief Administrative Officer Paul Gipps. “We weren’t sure how we were going to do against towns that are up to 20,000 people.”

Mayor Barry Janyk and two city staffers attended the 13th annual LivCom Awards over the weekend in the Czech Republic to present the town’s achievements.

Gibsons is committed to managing the community’s growth without disturbing the natural environment, a theme team Gibsons emphasized in their pitch to the conference, said Gipps.

“It wasn’t so much a matter of doing things to win,” said Gipps. “We just needed to tell the story of what we have already done.”

Other winners in the Whole City category include Newark, England (pop. under 75,000), Melville, Australia (pop. up to 200,000), Shilong, China (pop. up to 750,000) and Dailin, China (pop. over 750,000)

Randy Shore, Vancouver Sun newspaper
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